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Napisal / by Petr Jandáček http://barranca.laschools.net/specials/art/otzi.htm

Probably - as a response to the painful memories of victimization, the Slavic peoples had created a LEXICON OF EUPHEMISMS as SUBSTITUTE WORDS FOR "SLAV" AND "SLAVE". The Slovak and Czech word for "SLAVE" is "OTROK". "OTROK" is the Slovenian word for "CHILD". The connection between "CHILD" and "SLAVE" emerges again... an archaic Czech word for "CHILD" is "ROBĚ" pronounced "ROBYE". In Russian the word for "CHILD" is "ROBYENOK". Common Slavic word for "SLAVE" is "ROB" (Czech - "ROBOTNIK"). In many Slavic languages the word for "WORK or LABOR" is "ROBOTA"(German- Arbeit, Spanish- Trabajo are cryptograms of Robota). In Czech the word "ROBOTA" has a more limited meaning as "FORCED LABOR-UNDER DURESS". Karel Čapek, the Czech playwright used this root to coin the word "ROBOT" in his play R.U.R. Now, the word "ROBOT" is used around the world for a manufactured or mechanical "SLAVE" or "SERVANT". Indentured "SERVITUDE" is evidently the root word for Lusatian SORBS and the Balkan SERBS. The root of this word harkens back to the Latin "SERVUS". SERBIA used to be spelled SERVIA.
"VASSAL" is another word for a subordinate worker "BOUND" to labor for another. The English word vassal is evidently derived from the Slavic word VAZAL - TIED and/or BOUND.

The constellation of words mentioned above serves to add to the volume of evidence that the Slavs located in the center of Europe were systematically enslaved by the peoples living on their periphery - Greeks, Romans, Arabs, North Africans, Germans and others.
Sclavus, Serf, Serb, Servant, Servus, Sorb, Sluga, Sluha, Vassal, are all examples of words derived from the practice of enslaving the Slavs. Euphemisms were used by the Slavs and their slave-masters to eradicate the connection between the ethnic group and the
abusive relationship. The disconnect between Slavs and Slaves was unsuccessful.

More recent ethnographic evidence supports the fact that both victims and victimizers in the institution of slavery create a lexicon of euphemisms to deal with an unpleasant memory or history. In America it has been less than two centuries since the abolition of slavery. Until very recently "Bell-BOY" was the conventional term for a black man who worked as a luggage handler at a hotel or at a train station. The man may have been 70 years old, but he was still called a "BOY". In a similar way one could get a 80 year old "GIRL" to do laundry, Similarly pejorative terms such as "Bohunk" "Slob", "Lower Slavobian" "Nigger" were used in recent past to refer to people less prestigious background. Wendi, Veneti, Venedi etc. were evidently (at least to some measure) euphemisms for Slav-Slaves.

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Slav - Slave
Thursday, 21 June 2007
Napisal / by Petr Jandáček http://barranca.laschools.net/specials/art/otzi.htm Probably - as a response to the painful memories of...

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Slav - Slave
Dec 16 2008 16:45:59
These are all assumptions again. I don't have not even nearly enough knowledge about the subject to be able to go against your claims. So my point was just that analysing the connection between some words in different Slavic languages and comparing them to the western words for same doesn't prove much.
And Petr, you are comparing something that is worlds and centuries appart.
And finally, Slovene word for "SLAVE" is "SUŽENJ". Can you connect that one with "SLAVE" or "SKLAV" or "ROB" or "OTROK" or anything else?
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Slav - Slave
Dec 16 2008 17:04:04
Marko:
And finally, Slovene word for "SLAVE" is "SUŽENJ". Can you connect that one with "SLAVE" or "SKLAV" or "ROB" or "OTROK" or anything else?

My opinion is that there is no need to look for the Slovenian version of this word, since it is has a perfect sense to look for exonyms as preserved in all neighbouring languages.

Interesting link: www.slideshare.net/mmitrovic2/defense-new-2-june

and: morenom.wordpress.com/linguistcs-the-com...we-of-language/hasc/
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Slav - Slave
Dec 17 2008 16:57:38
So you suggest to look only at the selected languages and selected words (or should I say potential exonyms) that can prove your theory and discard the others that can prove against it?
So assumptions again.
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Slav - Slave
Dec 17 2008 16:58:21
Souz`eni is the Czech word for misery, pathos, depression, suffering (usually chronic)
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Slav - Slave
Dec 17 2008 21:05:07
Marko lets first clear things up. There is no theory I of my own, there are only few research papers I wrote and there is this paper you commented, written by Mr. Jandáček, which is marked as popular scientific.
Editorial of Veneti.info is not responsible for every claim an author makes - it is up to him to defend his paper.
So that is why I only helped in this conversation with a proposal on better understanding of the situation.

I do not now any others proving exactly against what I wrote above. It is clear that Slavs were enslaved (let's for now take away the parameter of "in which period" this happened). And it is obvious were this Latin word came from - not from the Slavic one, but from their designation of these people. So it is irrelevant whether the word SUŽENJ has any connection to the Latin one.
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